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		<title>How To: From Part-Time MBA To Full-Time Consultant</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A popular question we get is something like the following: I&#8217;ve been working full-time for last 10 years at Big Company doing Big Company Function. I recently enrolled in a local part-time MBA program. How do I take advantage of this opportunity to break into a good consulting firm? Before we start, let me put [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>A popular question we get is something like the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve been working full-time for last 10 years at Big Company doing Big Company Function. I recently enrolled in a local part-time MBA program. How do I take advantage of this opportunity to break into a good consulting firm?</p></blockquote>
<p>Before we start, let me put a big disclaimer here.</p>
<p class="alert">Big disclaimer: it is almost impossible to get into an MBB-caliber firm from a part-time MBA program. However, it is <strong>definitely possible</strong> to get into a respected boutique <a href="http://www.hyperink.com/the-best-book-on-getting-consulting-jobs-in-india-b6">consulting firm</a> or even a Big 4 (eg, Accenture, Deloitte) depending on your work experience and skillset</p>
<p>Below, I lay out the 6 steps you need to take to maximize your chances.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in <a href="http://www.hyperink.com">self publishing</a> a book, check out Hyperink!</p>
<p><strong>1. Part-time MBA programs are not all created the same</strong></p>
<p>A part-time MBA from <a href="http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x24270.xml">UCLA</a> is better than a part-time MBA from University of Texas-El Paso. In fact, one guy even <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/consulting-interviews/how-to-land-offers-at-bain-and-deloitte-from-a-completely-nontechnical-background/">got into Bain</a> this way!</p>
<p><strong>Brand equity matters</strong> as much here as it did for undergraduate and graduate programs. Go to the best school that you can.</p>
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<p>Better schools provide more recruiting resources (including dedicated job placement counselors), a more plugged-in student base, a stronger alumni network, and access to more consulting firms.</p>
<p><strong>2. Your work starts before you set foot on campus</strong></p>
<p>The most frequent mistake I see students making is that they don&#8217;t start thinking about jobs until they&#8217;re several weeks into their first semester.</p>
<p class="note">This is a huge mistake.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re serious about consulting, recruiting starts when you get accepted.</p>
<p>Reach out to the Career Center on-campus and ask them what resources are available to help you achieve this goal. They will have prep resources (eg, The Vault Guides, subscriptions to online career databases), access to Alumni networks, and potentially even contacts at your target firms. This is huge!</p>
<p>Some programs will have recruiters whose sole aim is to help you find jobs. Establish contact before you set foot on campus. Often they split time between the part-time, executive, and full-time MBA programs so it&#8217;s critical to build a solid relationship, and build it early.</p>
<p>This is covered in #5, but have an <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/consulting-resumes/how-to-write-a-management-consulting-and-business-consulting-resume/">updated resume</a> and <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/cover-letter/consulting-cover-letters/">cover letter</a> ready.</p>
<p>Ask to be put in touch with current students who&#8217;ve successfully made the transition. Build relationships with those students. Come recruiting time, they may be willing to <strong>forward your resume directly to the right recruiters</strong>.</p>
<p>If the Career Center is not helpful or non-existent, contact the Admissions Office and ask for their help. </p>
<p class="note">Now is not the time to be nice &#8211; it&#8217;s time to get serious about your career.</p>
<p><strong>3. Network, network, network</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already covered everything from <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/summer-internship/the-right-way-to-network-and-gather-information-at-management-consulting-information-sessionsmixerscompany-presentations/">info session networking</a> to cold calling.</p>
<p>Nothing particularly new to say here, but my key advice is to <strong>start early and cast a wide net</strong>. The following are sources of contacts:</p>
<ul>
<li>Current students
<li>Student organizations (eg, Consulting Clubs)
<li>The Alumni Network (see if you can get plugged into the full-time MBA alums!)
<li>The Career Center
<li>The Admissions Office
</ul>
<p>Systematically reach out and manage contacts. Use a tool like <a href="http://highrisehq.com/">Highrise</a> to keep track of who you&#8217;ve emailed, who you&#8217;ve called, and who you need to follow up with.</p>
<p><strong>You need to think scale.</strong> Assume 2/3 ignore you, and 2/3 of the ones who you talk to can&#8217;t help you. That means if you email 10 people, only 1 actually helps. If you email 100 people, now you have 10 people who can help. As a wise man once said, <em>&#8220;quantity has a quality all its own&#8221;</em>. Actually, it may have been Gideon Yu from Facebook&#8230;I don&#8217;t remember.</p>
<p class="note">Don&#8217;t take silence as a &#8220;no&#8221;. Try different contact methods, and follow up only until you get a clear &#8220;no&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>4. Think beyond the part-time MBA bubble</strong></p>
<p>Often people get stuck filling roles that are expected of them, for no good reason. </p>
<p>Being a part-time MBA doesn&#8217;t mean socializing exclusively with other part-time MBAs. It doesn&#8217;t mean leveraging only resources explicitly offered via your program. If you&#8217;re a part-time MBA at a place like UChicago or Northwestern, consider yourself a full part of that school and all its resources!! </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a full list of the U.S. News &#038; World Report&#8217;s 2010 rankings for the best part-time MBA programs:</p>
<ul>
<li>Northwestern/Kellogg
<li>UChicago/Booth
<li>UC-Berkeley/Haas
<li>UMich/Ross
<li>NYU/Stern
<li>UCLA/Anderson
<li>USC/Marshall
<li>UT-Austin/McCombs
<li>Carnegie-Mellon/Tepper
<li>Emory/Goizueta
<li>Indiana U/Kelley
<li>Ohio State/Fisher
<li>Wash U in St. Louis/Olin
</ul>
<p>There are more than 10 due to ties. See detailed info <a href="http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/part-time">here</a>.</p>
<p>Crash recruiting events for full-time MBAs. Even if the firms aren&#8217;t looking to hire part-time MBAs, you can build valuable contacts and <strong>ensure your resume gets noticed</strong>.</p>
<p>Attend undergraduate recruiting events. Same deal here.</p>
<p>Join student consulting and business clubs. Another source of events, networking opportunities, and access to recruiters.</p>
<p>Your mentality should be &#8220;<em>ask for forgiveness, not permission</em>&#8220;. </p>
<p><strong>5. Get your documents ready</strong></p>
<p>Make sure your resume and cover letter are updated. Bring copies of them with you everywhere, but don&#8217;t force them onto people &#8211; all recruiters hate that.</p>
<p><strong>6. Prep, prep, prep</strong></p>
<p>FInally, act like you have interviews and start preparing now. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written several articles about preparing for both the <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/consulting-interviews/management-consulting-interview-guide/">fit interview</a> and <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/case-studies/case-studies-101-what-every-future-consultant-needs-to-master-to-receive-offers/">case studies</a>.</p>
<p>Often, you can give a company your resume Monday, and by Wednesday they&#8217;ve emailed you to schedule an interview for the following Monday. Things move fast &#8211; be prepared.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s it. Following these 6 steps will give you a MUCH better chance of actually making that desired transition &#8211; and ensure that the $$$s you spend don&#8217;t go to waste.</p>
<p>What other ways can you take advantage of a part-time/fully-employed MBA program to get into consulting? Was I wrong to assume that it&#8217;s nearly impossible to leverage that into an MBB?</p>
<p>Comment away. Feedback is always appreciated.</p>
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		<title>Reader FAQ: How doctors can become consultants, recruiting from a non-target MBA program, and why I twitter infrequently</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s been awhile since our previous reader FAQ. Click here for a complete list of questions asked on this site and my responses. Working professionals 1. What&#8217;s the best way for me, a PhD in biology and a licensed physician, to break into strategy consulting? I have limited business experience beyond an internship I did [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>It&#8217;s been awhile since our previous reader FAQ. Click here for a <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/faq/">complete list of questions</a> asked on this site and my responses.</p>
<p><strong>Working professionals</strong></p>
<p><strong>1. What&#8217;s the best way for me, a PhD in biology and a licensed physician, to break into strategy consulting? I have limited business experience beyond an internship I did whilst in college. Any advice? Any particular firms?</strong></p>
<p>Business experience is not a prerequisite for a consulting job. <strong>Business interest is</strong>.</p>
<p>Fundamentally, anyone attempting a dramatic break from a previous career (whether that&#8217;s from law to consulting, engineering to consulting, or medicine to consulting) needs to demonstrate a few things:</p>
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<p>-A <strong>clear interest</strong> in business, as evidenced through academic coursework, a well-written cover letter/resume, or strong performance in the first round interview<br />
-A <strong>record of success</strong> in their previous career, as evidenced through growth in responsibilities, people-management experience, and promotions<br />
-Evidence of <strong>basic skills required</strong> for business success, in areas such as communication and presentation, writing, analytics, and so forth<br />
-A clear fit with the target consulting firm</p>
<p>There are many strong, healthcare/pharmaceutical/payer-provider-focused consulting firms. Global consulting firms such as Bain or Monitor have clients, and often dedicated practices, in those areas. A few strong boutique firms include: IMS Health, Milliman, and Putnam Associates.</p>
<p><strong>2. I&#8217;ve been in the asset management business for 10+ years now. Needless to say, I&#8217;m ready for a change and the consulting world has always appealed to me, for reasons that you&#8217;ve alluded to on your site. The interesting thing is, I have very few contacts in strategy consulting. What do you think of LinkedIn as a tool for networking &#8211; will I have any success using it?</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.linkedin.com">LinkedIn</a> is a wonderful resource for those in business. While &#8220;cold-contacting&#8221; through LinkedIn is <strong>about as effective as cold-emailing</strong> (which is to say, not very), there are other ways to leverage LinkedIn to help in your quest for a consulting job. These are:</p>
<p>-Using LinkedIn&#8217;s <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/companies?trk=hb_tab_compy">company search</a> to find nearby consulting firms and good-fit consulting firms (by industry background, skillset, etc)</p>
<p>-Using LinkedIn&#8217;s company profiles to <strong>identify recruiters</strong> that are open to networking and sourcing opportunities. Click here to see <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/companies/2114/Bain%20&#038;%20Company">Bain&#8217;s LinkedIn profile</a>.</p>
<p>-Using LinkedIn to <strong>broadcast your job search or networking requests</strong> to specific groups that you&#8217;re apart of (say, your university alumni group or networking groups for asset management professionals). Click here for the <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/groupsDirectory">Groups Directory</a></p>
<p>Those are just 3 of the ways LinkedIn can help you in this process. I talk about this in the <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/management-consulting-recruiting-toolkit/">Recruiting Toolkit</a> extensively, so stay tuned for that as well.</p>
<p><strong>Undergraduate and graduate</strong></p>
<p><strong>1. Hi, I attend UC-Berkeley but am not in the business school. However, I&#8217;d like to pursue a career in management consulting. Will that hurt me? What can I do?</strong></p>
<p><em>The short answer</em>: yes, it will hurt.</p>
<p><em>The longer answer</em>: it will hurt because the student recruiting pool will be much deeper. You&#8217;ll be up against students that have years of business classes under their belt, with prior internships and part-time jobs in finance, consulting, and other business areas.</p>
<p>To compensate, there are a few things you should do:</p>
<p>-Join a couple of the <strong>biggest, most prestigious business-focused clubs</strong> at your school. I know for a fact that Berkeley has many of these. This will help you build a student and professional network, and <strong>acclimate you to the recruiting process</strong> and its components (eg, resumes, interviews, etc) at an early stage.</p>
<p>-Start gaining internship and <strong>part-time business experience during school</strong>. Find these through on-campus recruiting, online job directories, family contacts, and any other sources you can dig-up.</p>
<p><strong>2. My biggest concern is that management consulting firms don&#8217;t recruit at my school. What can I do to compensate for this fact?</strong></p>
<p>I covered <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/2009/01/11/how-to-break-into-any-consulting-firm-even-if-they-dont-recruit-at-your-school/">non-target recruiting</a> in a previous post. The broad points are:</p>
<p>-Have a very strong GPA &#8211; I&#8217;d recommend <strong>at least a 3.8</strong> if you&#8217;re to stand-out from a non-target school<br />
-Have prior consulting experience or <strong>lots of appropriate business experience</strong> (eg, corporate development, finance, product marketing and product management). The more internships, the better<br />
-Focus on <strong>networking with school alumni</strong> as early as you can. This is your best shot since alumni will be inclined to recruit from their alma mater. Conduct informational interviews, meet up for coffee, do whatever it takes to build that relationship</p>
<p><strong>3. I&#8217;m getting my MBA right now, and unfortunately, it&#8217;s not one of the Top 10 schools. I feel like this gives me a very slim chance of working for a MckBain Group, as you call them. What can I do during school that will make me stand out?</strong></p>
<p>While GPA is important, it&#8217;s <strong>somewhat less important</strong> during your MBA. The key here will be the quality and quantity of work experience that you&#8217;ve accumulated prior to your MBA and during the summer between your first and second year. Unfortunately, much of this can no longer be changed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d focus on a few things:</p>
<p>-<strong>Start a consulting club</strong> at your MBA program if one doesn&#8217;t exist already. This will help you gain practical consulting experience. Through hosting socials, speaker panels, and training sessions with area consulting firms, you&#8217;ll also <strong>build a network of consultants</strong> which will come in handy during recruiting.</p>
<p>-Many professors have part-time consulting gigs or prior consulting experience. I&#8217;d take their classes, perform extremely well, and <strong>build a relationship with them</strong>. They will carry a lot of sway and may plug you into their professional networks</p>
<p><strong>4. As a Masters student, how much would an entry level associate position make (a range would be fine)?  Also, do most consulting firms start Masters students at an associate level or something else like an analyst? If it&#8217;s an analyst, how long do you have to work for to become an associate?</strong></p>
<p>Most Masters students at the top consulting firms will start out at the same position as a graduating senior. At <a href="http://www.mckinsey.com">McKinsey</a>, this is a business analyst role (BA). You can find <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/2009/01/08/the-truth-behind-consulting-salaries-from-analyst-thru-partner/">2008 consulting salary figures</a> here.</p>
<p>Generally, you&#8217;re expected to work 2-3 years before being promoted to the next level, whether that is associate, senior consultant, or some other comparable title.</p>
<p><strong>Miscellaneous</strong></p>
<p><strong>1. It would be great to hear your comments on working at Google and why you decided to go to McKinsey and then &#8220;back&#8221; into entrepreneurship.</strong></p>
<p>Happy to share. I spent approximately 6 month at <a href="http://www.google.com">Google</a> working in a group that focused on analytics and support for AdWords, AdSense, and Blogger. In particular, I was heavily involved in their clickspam team attempting to identify, monitor, and address clickspam issues across those products.</p>
<p>While Google was a great place to work &#8211; it often felt like being in college again &#8211; the role did not offer an <strong>attractive upward trajectory</strong> or a broad set of business skills. These are 2 of the biggest <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/2008/12/16/question-of-the-day-management-consulting-versus-investment-banking/">attractions of management consulting</a>.</p>
<p>McKinsey offered both, plus the opportunity to work in NYC. That&#8217;s why I joined. </p>
<p>I eventually left McKinsey because I&#8217;d always been deeply passionate about consumer technology and entrepreneurship, and I&#8217;d reached a point where there were diminishing returns (at least in the short-term) to the time and effort required.</p>
<p><strong>2. When will you be releasing the Recruiting Toolkit? You&#8217;ve talked about it for months!</strong></p>
<p>Great question. It has been in development for some time now, and in all honesty I&#8217;ve taken my eyes off the goal in the past few weeks. While I can&#8217;t fully divulge, I&#8217;ve been working on a few projects that are taking up a considerable amount of my time.</p>
<p>However, I publicly promise that the Recruiting Toolkit (with a current database of contacts to <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/management-consulting-recruiting-toolkit/">100+ consulting firms</a>, plus a networking guide and networking materials), <strong>will be out before the end of May</strong>.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I&#8217;m also collaborating with <a href="http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com">the Inquisitor</a> on related products, so stay tuned for more!</p>
<p><strong>3. You don&#8217;t update your Twitter very much. Why?</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great observation. I initially used Twitter heavily when I started it as a purely personal account. After several weeks, I began to lose interest and to question the distinctive value of Twitter over Facebook status updates (where I can reach a much larger, and more closely affiliated, audience). </p>
<p>Upon morphing <a href="http://www.twitter.com/kgao">@kgao</a> into a Management Consulted-focused account, I figured it&#8217;d be a great way to <strong>share news related to consulting and recruiting</strong>. I simply haven&#8217;t put enough effort into finding valuable content. If anyone digs up consulting-related info that they think would be useful for a broader audience, please <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/contact-form/">let me know</a>! Til then, I&#8217;m still figuring out the optimal way to integrate Twitter here.</p>
<p>Do you have a question about management consulting, recruiting for jobs, or anything else related to the site? <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/contact-form">Contact me</a> and I&#8217;ll feature your question here with an in-depth response. Anonymity guaranteed.</p>
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