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		<title>Welcome All Future Management Consultants &#8211; Favorite Posts, Link Roundup, and Reader Questions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We hit 900 subscribers today &#8211; thanks everyone! I wanted to take this time to welcome new readers, share a few of my favorite consulting-specific reads from around the web, and answer a few reader questions.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We hit 900 subscribers today &#8211; <strong>thanks everyone</strong>! I wanted to take this time to welcome new readers, share a few of my favorite consulting-specific reads from around the web, and answer a few reader questions.</p>
<p>The second part of the <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/consulting-jobs/networking-101-we-spill-the-beans-on-how-to-network-your-way-into-any-job-its-finally-live/">live networking podcast</a> with <strong>Brian from Mergers and Inqusitions</strong> will be coming shortly. While we didn&#8217;t get much feedback on the first session, what we did hear from readers and commenters was positive. If you have any questions, don&#8217;t hesitate to <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/contact-form/">contact me</a> directly!</p>
<p><strong>Favorite recent posts</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://managementconsulted.com/consulting-questions/answering-your-questions-about-international-management-consulting/">International Management Consulting 101</a> &#8211; we discuss what it&#8217;s like to work in an overseas management consulting office. Everything from recruiting to lifestyle, daily work to client relationships.</p>
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<p><a href="http://managementconsulted.com/consulting-lingo/perks-of-the-management-consulting-lifestyle/">Points and Per Se: Management Consulting Perks</a> &#8211; discover the non-salary benefits of a life in strategy consulting, including laptops, expense accounts, and Starwood points.</p>
<p><a href="http://managementconsulted.com/consulting-jobs/how-a-berkeley-undergrad-secured-fulltime-offers-at-navigant-and-fti-consulting/">Berkeley undergrad who received Navigant and FTI Consulting offers</a> &#8211; our interviewee shares insights on recruiting from a <strong>large public university</strong>, and his thoughts on the relative merits of <strong>Navigant Consulting</strong> and <strong>FTI Consulting</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://managementconsulted.com/2009/01/18/how-many-baseballs-fit-inside-a-boeing-747-10-steps-to-solving-any-sizing-question-aka-the-mini-case-study/">10 Steps to Sizing and Estimation Questions</a> &#8211; an oldie but goodie. From my <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/management-consulting-interviews/">interview sessions</a> these days, it&#8217;s apparent that many of you are uncomfortable with sizing/estimation questions and the assumptions-based arithmetic in tackling these problems. <strong>Read closely</strong> if you&#8217;re interested in breaking in!</p>
<p><strong>Great reads from around the consulting blogosphere</strong></p>
<p>The new <a href="http://consultingmag.com/article/ART237142?C=zvM1XPYtpQr30fwK">Booz &amp; Co to acquire Katzenbach</a> &#8211; I distributed this <a href="http://www.twitter.com/kgao">via Twitter</a> several weeks ago. Originally reported in ConsultingMag.com. Pretty big news in the strategy consulting space!</p>
<p>From Consultant Insider &#8211; thoughts on <a href="http://consultantinsider.blogspot.com/2009/04/so-why-business-school.html">why you should go to business school</a>. I think #1 and #2 are particularly high on my list!</p>
<p>From the Killer Consultant &#8211; a 2-part series on how you should manage client relationships. Critical reading for new consultants. <a href="http://www.killerconsultant.com/brain-food/how-personal-should-you-get-with-clients/">Part 1</a> here. <a href="http://www.killerconsultant.com/brain-food/how-personal-should-you-get-with-clients-part-2/">Part 2</a> here.</p>
<p>Mentioned in <a href="http://marquisweblog.blogspot.com/">Marquis&#8217; Weblog</a> &#8211; a link to a <strong>great post on LinkedIn</strong> and how to use it to find jobs. <a href="http://www.gottamentor.com/viewAdvice.aspx?a=379">Original source here</a>. My own guide to doing this is still in the works.</p>
<p>From Steve Shu&#8217;s blog &#8211; a <a href="http://steveshu.typepad.com/steve_shus_weblog/2009/04/crash-course-consulting-reading-list.html">crash course reading list</a> for new consultants. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1598695886?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=manaconsadvif-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1598695886">Rain Making</a><img style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=manaconsadvif-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1598695886" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" /> is on my reading list.</p>
<p><strong>A few reader questions</strong></p>
<p><em>&#8220;I&#8217;m a recent graduate (have been in industry for 2 years). Is there a bias in recruiting, if I can still do the standard on-campus recruiting, against people who have already graduated as opposed to current students?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>In short, not really. Several years of work experience &#8211; assuming you&#8217;re comfortable looking for the same analyst/associate-level positions &#8211; is <strong>generally a plus during the recruiting process</strong>.</p>
<p>Recruiters and consultants will wonder two things:</p>
<p>1. Why you wish to do strategy consulting now &#8211; what changed your mind over the last several years</p>
<p>2. Did you produce good work in your most recent job &#8211; what results did you show, what skills did you develop, what responsibilities did you handle</p>
<p>It can be possible to be pigeonholed as &#8220;unsuitable&#8221; for consulting if you have extensive work experience in<strong> niche/non-relevant areas</strong> (eg, accounting), but generally speaking, a few years of work experience post-undergrad will only serve to help you in the campus recruiting process.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I&#8217;ve been in strategy consulting for a West Coast boutique consulting firm for 3 years now, and an contemplating a move into corporate strategy (for a Fortune 500 consumer goods company). Any thoughts on the respective differences between the two?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>This is a great question &#8211; something I&#8217;d like to write a full post on eventually.</p>
<p>Off the top of my head, here are some key differences:</p>
<p>1. In corporate strategy, <strong>you serve one client</strong> (the CEO and his/her C-level team). In strategy consulting, you serve multiple clients in multiple industries</p>
<p>2. In corporate strategy, <strong>you work with the same team</strong> (as is true of most corporate environments). There are pros and cons to rotating teams in strategy consulting, but I really enjoyed that diversity</p>
<p>3. In corporate strategy, <strong>you&#8217;ll have a thinner talent pool</strong>. You may be lucky to work with a strong strategy team, but you can bet that the operating/finance/administrative folks you interface with will be much more variable along the capability scale.</p>
<p>4. In corporate strategy, <strong>travel is reduced</strong>. There are exceptions, of course &#8211; but travel should be no more than 25% of your day-to-day unlike <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/2008/12/23/top-5-myths-about-travel-as-a-management-consultant/">management consulting travel.</a></p>
<p>5. In corporate strategy, you&#8217;ll have more <strong>clearly defined daily and long-term responsibilities</strong>. This depends on the company and the particulars of your position, but corporate strategy folks are often responsible for both project-based and recurring work (eg, setting benchmarks and doing performance analytics). Strategy consulting work is inherently more variable &#8211; each project is a <strong>completely new beginning</strong>.</p>
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		<title>Why you should do engineering or business if you want to break into consulting: return from hiatus plus a slew of reader questions</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s been too long since my last post. After a string of talks at schools such as UPenn and Yale, I&#8217;m back on the blogging train. For now, here are answers to some reader comments and emails.
I&#8217;ll followup with a post tomorrow summarizing key takeaways from the talks Brian and I gave this past week [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.managementconsulted.com/images/question_mark.jpg" align="right">It&#8217;s been too long since my last post. After a string of talks at schools such as <strong>UPenn and Yale</strong>, I&#8217;m back on the blogging train. For now, here are answers to some reader comments and emails.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll followup with a post tomorrow <strong>summarizing key takeaways</strong> from the talks <a href="http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/">Brian</a> and I gave this past week &#8211; <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/2009/02/03/east-coast-speaking-tour-recruiting-in-a-down-market/">Recruiting in a Down Market</a>.</p>
<p>There are <strong>great upcoming posts</strong> on <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/2008/12/28/the-right-way-to-network-and-gather-information-at-management-consulting-information-sessionsmixerscompany-presentations/">networking</a>, <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/2009/01/10/case-studies-101-what-every-future-consultant-needs-to-master-to-receive-offers/">case study frameworks</a>, and insider perspectives on consulting. Stay tuned!</p>
<h3>My main goal is to get to McKinsey &#038; Co., however  they do not recruit interns from my school, Univ. Wiscosin-Madison School of Business. However, I locked up an interview for a full-time job with McKinsey for Sept/October.  <strong>Does McKinsey prefer non-Big 4 (accounting) consulting firms</strong> when recruiting?  I have offers from Towers Perrin (Risk Management/ Actuarial), Deloitte, PwC, Mercer (Actuarial), and IBM.  What firm is viewed the best by McKinsey?</h3>
<p>First off, congrats on receiving those offers. It&#8217;s a <strong>remarkable accomplishment</strong> in this environment! </p>
<p>McKinsey prefers <strong>strategy consulting firm experience</strong> whenever possible. You can be pegged as unsuitable for strategy/management consulting if you have <strong>extensive technology/IT consulting experience</strong> &#8211; commonly associated with the Big 4. It really comes down to <strong>what group you&#8217;ll be working with</strong> &#8211; I&#8217;d shy away from highly technical/specialized niches (eg Towers Perrin Actuarial), and accept an <strong>offer in operational consulting</strong> (if that is indeed what the Deloitte offer is).</p>
<p>Operational consulting will be the closest functional specialization to traditional strategy/management consulting.</p>
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<p>Bottom line: with the firms you named, it&#8217;s far more important <strong>WHAT you do and not WHO</strong></p>
<h3>What types of majors should be studied for consulting?</h3>
<p>Shoot for more <strong>analytically-challenging majors</strong> (eg, Engineering, Math, Economics, Finance). However, it&#8217;s better to do well in a major you love (<strong>resulting in a high GPA</strong>) than to struggle in a major you don&#8217;t like (resulting in dissatisfaction and a low GPA).</p>
<p>Bottom line: <strong>GPA trumps major</strong>, but technical majors are preferred</p>
<h3>What types of masters programs are good for consulting?</h3>
<p>Very similar to above question. Shoot for something business/economics/finance related &#8211; since it&#8217;s a grad degree, the <strong>closer you are to business the more credibility you&#8217;ll have</strong>.</p>
<p>More important than which program is where. <strong>The better ranked the school</strong>, the more consulting firms will recruit on campus and <strong>the better a chance you&#8217;ll have of breaking in</strong>.</p>
<h3>I&#8217;m changing industries from civil engineering to consulting.  I&#8217;ve been out of college for almost two years and I have been working at the same engineering firm since graduation.  I am very interested in applying to the big-name firms.  Although my undergraduate GPA wasn&#8217;t the strongest, 3.25/4.00, will most companies consider that I was a Purdue University engineering student, or would I be shortsighted to rest on that notion?  I feel that I am a highly intelligent, well spoken individual, and if I were to obtain an interview, I know I would have no problem gaining the interviewer&#8217;s confidence</h3>
<p><strong>Engineering helps compensate for a low GPA</strong>. In addition, you&#8217;re several years out of school so <strong>your work experience will play a major role</strong> (which firm, what your responsibilities were, your references). My advice for you is to a) learn as much as you can about consulting (starting here of course) and begin developing and communicating your intended career change with your network (the key ones I recommend are <strong>friend/family, business, and school alumni</strong>).</p>
<p>However, a 3.25 GPA is fairly low, and will be challenging in this economy. <strong>Spread your net wide</strong>, look at as many <a href="http://managementconsulted.com/2008/12/12/recruiting-decisions-what-is-the-difference-between-global-management-consulting-firms-and-boutique-consulting-firms/">boutiques and regional consulting firms</a> as you can &#8211; they are a <strong>great stepping stone into the industry</strong>.</p>
<h3>Given my experience in High-Tech, would it make more sense for me to target the McKinsey Business Technology practice?</h3>
<p>For all readers &#8211; the McKinsey Business Technology Office (BTO) is a firm practice that specializes in <strong>technology-related client issues</strong>. Unlike firms such as Accenture, McKinsey BTO does not do hands-on implementation work (eg, procuring and installing enterprise software) but provides <strong>strategic advice on technology issues and concerns</strong>. </p>
<p>If you have several years of experience in High-Tech, <strong>this is a great starting point</strong> as they typically look for technology-savvy people (either academically or professionally). Most BTO consultants spend <strong>considerable time on projects outside the BTO practice</strong>, so you will have some project diversity. The BTO handles its recruiting <strong>independently of standard firm recruiting</strong> &#8211; so be sure you <strong>properly express interest upfront</strong>. The interviews and cases are also slightly different (focused on your prior technology exposure, unsurprisingly).</p>
<h3>Will I be able to carry a good reputation or a recommendation letter when I apply elsewhere after completing my summer internship?</h3>
<p>Ultimately, the main thing consulting firms (and any leading business) care about is <strong>whether you received a return offer</strong>. If the answer is yes, you&#8217;re good to go.</p>
<p>Having a big name summer internship <strong>helps a lot during fulltime recruiting</strong>. Be sure to promote this front and center on your resume, and to discuss the experience in your interviews.</p>
<p>Finally, if you&#8217;re on good terms with your summer internship managers and they understand you&#8217;d rather pursue a career elsewhere, you can ask them for references to other companies.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry about the recommendation letter unless explicitly asked, but I would be prepared to <strong>provide a reference in case it&#8217;s needed</strong>.</p>
<h3>How well do you have to do second round to receive the offer, in my case, for a summer position? I just finished up my second rounds yesterday, and thought that they were just okay&#8211;a few number struggles, some missed conclusions, but no major screw-ups. It was also a little bit more difficult to make a personal connection because I was interviewing with everyone via video conference. My worst case performance was with a partner interview, which is pretty worrying, and overall I felt much better coming out of first rounds</h3>
<p>In this environment, I&#8217;d say <strong>your performance has to be distinctive</strong>. In good hiring years, a solid performance (eg, getting most of the case right, having strong prepared answers to fit questions) and strong resume would be enough to receive an offer. But this is not a good hiring year &#8211; and from what I&#8217;ve seen/heard/expect, <strong>you have to have a near-perfect performance</strong> &#8211; nailing almost all of the case components and generating answers they&#8217;ve never heard, having memorable responses to fit questions, and having a truly distinctive resume.</p>
<p>Video conference puts you at a disadvantage. For all prospective applicants &#8211; <strong>avoid this when possible</strong>. In-person interviews are much better for your candidacy.</p>
<p>Finally, it doesn&#8217;t help that your worst performance was with a partner as <strong>they have the most influence on final decisions</strong>. But keep your hopes up &#8211; you can never tell what a partner thought of your performance, because they&#8217;re <strong>usually looking for different things than you think</strong>.</p>
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